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2021 Beauty Mark, Madonna, Monroe, Crawford Piercing Pros & Cons by a Piercer - S02 EP18

In Season 2 Episode 18, DaVo, a Professional Piercer since 1994, covers the Pros and Cons of Beauty Mark Piercings also know as Maddona, Monroe, and Crawford. In season 2 he also covers: What You Should Know Before Getting the Piercing, The Piercing Experience, Healing, Jewelry, Living with the Piercing, and Abandoning the Piercing.

I aka DaVo have been a professional body piercer and the owner of the Axiom Body Piercing Studio in Des Moines, Iowa since 1994. My focus on education and helping clients make safe and informed decisions on getting pierced has always been a large part of my business practices and services. With my website and increasingly on youtube, I hope to expand and inform others outside of my small part of the world. I always encourage questions and comments, so if you have one, please comment. 

Show Notes:

S 02 EP 18 Septum Pros & Cons

  • Pierced with a labret stud above the lip on either side

  • Know as a Beauty Mark, Madonna(right), Monroe(left), Crawford(left)


  • lip piercings have a long history among the tribal people of Africa and South America

  • Was developed in a modern piercing in the late 80s. The names for each side came about later.


  1. Long History of Healing

  2. Draws attention to the area

  3. can be done in groupings(bites)

  4. Jewelry Variety

  5. Less of a risk to damage than lower lip piercings


  1. Risk to Damage to teeth, gums, and bones

  2. can affect employment

  3. swelling

  4. can close quickly

  5. ends can fall off


Things to look for:

  • Piercer is experienced in this piercing, professional, informative and make you feel comfortable, and offer a consultation that involves aftercare, risks, etc… The piercer should evaluate your anatomy

  • More acceptable to STDs during oral sex even after the piercing is healed.

  • The risk to damaging teeth, gums, and bones

  • Should suggest a flatback labret that is oversized.

  • Jewelry will need to be downsized.

  • Does the piercer provide aftercare products and written and verbal aftercare instruction?

The Piercing Experience:

  • Consultation & Jewelry Selection

  • Waiver, Set Up, and Disinfection

  • During and after marking the piercer should have the client make different expressions to check how much the person moves their upper lip.

  • Should be placed to limit contact with the structure of the mouth, usually above the gum line.

  • Best done with forceps

  • The piercing is done from the outside in.

  • Then pushed out with a taper pin

  • The jewelry is then inserted from the inside. It May take a little time to get the end on

  • There may be some slight to moderate bleeding. The taper pin method can produce more bleeding

  • Usually, you will have throbbing, aching, and warmth in the area for a few minutes afterward

  • Piercing is sensitive to the touch.

  • Some bruising can occur


  • The average healing time is 12-16 weeks or longer

  • Saline twice daily

  • The first two week rinse twice daily with a non-alcohol based antiseptic mouthwash

  • Reduce swelling

  • Must practice cross-contamination prevention and isolate and avoid any contact with the piercing.

    • Clean hands

    • no oral contact

    • Keep your bedding, clothing, towels, etc… clean

    • No Swimming

    • Keep Pets Away

  • Avoid contact or trauma to the area. Elevate the piercing off the bed and do not sleep on it.

  • Swelling will often happen a few days after the piercing.

  • First 3-5 days you can experience slight bleeding off and on, redness/discolor, heat, and tenderness to the touch.

  • With oral piercing white ring of tissue, discharge, and nesting

  • If the jewelry has contact with the structure of the mouth it can be downsized as soon as the swelling goes down.

  • Check the tightness of the balls


  • The jewelry should be downsized asap

  • should leave jewelry in at all times

  • Jewelry should be a flat back labret stud. Do not wear rings or barbells.

Living with the piercing:

  • The jewelry should be left in at all times.

  • Monitor teeth, gums, and bones in the piercing area. If there is a soreness, pain, or damage, remove the jewelry and abandon the piercing.

  • Avoid pressure or trauma to the piercing including sleep

  • check the tightness of the ball regularly

  • S

Abandoning the piercing:

  • Will close but may appear open for a long period of time.

  • There will be a small indented circular scar on each side. This may fade in time.

  • The holes may produce a cream cheese-like discharge, this is sebum.


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Suggested Aftercare Products:

  • For Premixed Saline DaVo suggests. NeilMed Neil Cleanse Wound Wash First-Aid Sterile Saline Solution 6 fl oz Each -
  • For Oral Piercings -     
    Biotene Fresh Mint Moisturizing Oral Rinse Mouthwash, Alcohol-Free, for Dry Mouth -

All footage was filmed using a Canon EOS 80D Camera with the Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM Lens - and Canon EOS R  - with Canon EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM Lens -

Audio - Recorded with Shure MV7 - with a Tascam DR-40x -

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Skin Kitchen Tattoo and The Axiom Body Piercing Studio are located at 3800 Douglas Ave./Des Moines, Iowa 50311
Tattoo hours are Thursday - Monday 1-8pm
Piercing hours are Thursday - Monday 2-8pm